thousand people who had that kind of access. it is part of the defense. there is a lot of controversy regarding the publication of this information, that you may have this information. eight hundred 50 thousand people, they are in the same position, if they choose to be, as mr. snowden was, to release this information. there is safety in numbers, in other words. that these giant databases that were created after 9/11 have proved porous. these secret things have escaped. that is because so many people have access to them. that is the only point i think we were trying to make. , usingople talk about the word catastrophe or the fact that there has been this catastrophic loss, people comparing it with maclean, burgess, philby, that comes down to the original leak.